Val:
Frankly I'm unsurprised even if the growing opposition to Islam in Europe is news to most Americans. I've read the local press- and I mean regional papers like the Catalan Avui- and I've known for years about the low level loathing and outright antipathy that the ordinary citizens have towards Moslems immigrants. Some of the attitudes are unfair but most are justified.
It's kinda hard to like the Moslem neighbour when they pull the girls out of school as son as they have their first period, kill lamb and sheep in the street instead of at a butchers shop, engage in female circumcision, honour killings and the politicians groveling at their demands etc etc.
The bombings in London and Madrid as well the out of proportion outrage over the Mohammed cartoons has finally exposed to the elites what the ordinary people have had to put up with.
The EuroMoslems will have to get rid of their insolence. The Europeans have a mean streak and it's not one the Moslems should casually provoke or they'll be on the receiving end of a riot.
The Mideast Moslems have just jumped teh shark with the embassy burnings and the Euros will cut off the protection money they've been paying to those regimes. Except Hamas to default very soon and Syria will pay very dearly for the destroyed embassies.
xavier

BTW, Xavier, Val didn't post it. I did.

Ahora la cosa es con Dinamarka.And you even want to take credit for it..VAYA!!!!George this thing will blow away real soon...waste of stickers. Freedom of speach is great,if it gets something done...We can scream all we want and say whatever in this country but "the song remains the same".(zeppelin)hell of a concert,I must brag but I was there..And what happened...they all got robbed of all their cash and passports.Welcome 2 America stepbehind the yellow line.Freedom of speech yes,results from our speeches,afew."I HAVE A DREAM"then the gun spoke.This is a pay for play country. And us,were the toys..Peace

Victor, It looks like at least 21 Cubans died this week seeking the freedom you so mock and disdain. I think you're a pig. Why don't you use some of the freedom you enjoy here and move somewhere else.

Ziva,And I feel for all of them..I didnt insult you..What do you mean pig...What have you done for Cubans lately...Cmon tell me how you hate Castro but you dont hate the Cubans,so I help them whenever I can..What do you do for the balseros when they do reach land..Are you there to give them a helping hand,or do you send them to Catholic Charity for a hand out.Do you try to find out who they are and put money in their hands? Do they come to your home or bussiness cause they say that you help in any way you can.Do you feed them,give them rent money.Money for their work permit.Its 185.00 by the way.

Do you give them food out of your freezer to take home? Do you help their 3 and 7 yr olds get clothing and shoes? A little walking money just to get by..Please let me know what your contribution has been to our people,please..dont pig out on me either and dont come back with any meatless sandwich...That my patriot is just a regular day for me..Dejen eso ya!!!!

I think the Danes ought to just throw them out if they don't want to adapt. Give them one year and if they're still doing burkhas, out, back to Pakistan, back to Morocco where they'd be a lot happier. It's only welfare checks that are keeping them there, cut off the welfare checks, spend them on something constructive and get rid of these ungrateful leeches.

H a s s a n: Yawn.

Front Page Magazine and Stefania over at Free Thoughts both have this post which attempts to explain the problem with the Muslims in the West World.

http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=21156

You get a lot of Rafters showing up in Minneapolis, victor? Your attempts to show your philantropy fall way short.

A good man helps those in need out of the kindmness of his heart and not tto reap some kind of glory from it.

I find it disturbing that you, victor, an avowed fidelista living in the United States of America can boast about your helping of balseros when they have risked thier lives fleeing the exact same oppression that you support. You are a hypocrite and that absolute worse kind of human being.

Do us all a favor and tell your fidelista handlers that we will not allow your bulsshit propaganda to be spread on this here blog.

And that goes for whatever name you choose to comment under, whether its hassan, victor, thassOK, asswipe, etc... Are you too stupid to understand that I know the exact location and IP that each commenter posts from?

If your restaurant's rebellious mystique has fallen by the wayside and you are in dire need of customers, perhaps in stead of trying to get them here and use this blog as your advertising space, you should redecorate. Maybe cater to a new breed of customer. I suggest maybe a 9/11 theme, where you can praise the glories of al Queada and Osama and mohammed with icons and images of the towers on fire and falling all over the walls.

please take yor ululating somewhere else. Im tired of it.

Val,

Ask Victor (or Hassan) why there is no blog available at www.granma.cu? Isn't that more in line with their political beliefs?

Its interesting that they use the tools available in a free society to attempt to get their point accross, such as this blog. Yet, they support forms of government that don't allow those very tools!

Just another in a very long line of hypocrisies shown by Fidelistas or Fidelistas "by proxies" to borrow your phrase.

We must remember we have the most important tool on our side..TRUTH.

Those banners would make a great bumper sticker.

You know Victor, calling you an asshole is such an understatement that a new word has to be coined just for you: you are a "fidelhole". You're a filthy red, a serial liar, an alardoso who can't get enough of the sound of your own voice. On the one hand you proclaim loudly how good you are in helping your fellow refugees escape the tyranny of a murderous regime, and on the other, you support that very regime with your words! You're in need of some serious therapy or medication. Go away, please, and start your own blog. As Tom Petty sings, "don't come around here no more."

George:
Mia culpa! Discuplame. I'll have to buy you a Carlesburg, send you some Havarti cheese and get you some excellent Quebec pork ;)
xavier

All three sound fantastic! I love Havarti cheese!

This whole cartoon story caused some of the memories from my years in The Netherlans to resurface and provoked me to analize the situation and try to take my stand on it. Generally, I agree with all of you ( exclude Victor and his twisted views).
However, the Dutch, Danes or Germans have shown a lot of prejudice against immigrants and especially those from islamic countries. It is true that neither Morrocans , Pakistanis or Turks have adapted to new environment, culture and social rules. I also agree they should do much more to assimilate or at least let the new generation blend with those western societies they chose to live in. On the other hand europeans should learn to live and interact with those completely different cultures if they want to present themselves as internationalists and freedom loving societies. I live in Canada now and belive me we all interact pretty well and any kind of prejudice that exists is on a very controlled level. Free speech and expression of one's opinion is one of the most sacred freedoms we have and no matter what, no censorship should be applied toward any kind of information. If Moslems want to respond they should do it in a civilized way ( maybe by posting some critical cartoons about Christians or Lutherans in one of the newspapers)instead of looking for an answer to critical voices inside Koran and as a result turning to more terrorist acts. Even after I had learned Dutch and had spendt 4 years in Holland I felt like second class citizen and mind you that I am white , educated Polish catholic. Therefore I also urge those north Europeans to lower this nationalistic attitude and as for the Moslems, we should fight their fanaticism and not to bow at any prize so "Viva la Reina de Dinamarka"

George!!!! such foul language..Now go to your room and no more juice for you..I know 14 year old students in cuba with better vocabulary and understanding than any of you guyz..I dont get vulgar on the web..It just aint nice..I think that I will take your advice and others to get of this blog..I have given you guys 2 much fun, and have confused you with to many facts.The only reason I have kept this up is that we cubans up here have been getting a real kick out of it..Beats ice fishing..No answer george.unless you want the last word..You getting wood yet??

There are few tougher things than trying to fit in with old European societies. I remember how tough it was trying to fit in IN ENGLAND with as low of cultural barriers as that! I can't imagine how hard it would be on the continent. Dariusz is right, those are very stratified societies. If it's tough for a Pole, imagine how hard it must be for a Pakistani.

It's also noteworthy that the US & Canada and for that matter, South America, don't have the same kind of Islamofascist problems as Europe. At least not from most of our immigrants who've been here awhile. New ones, for sure, are misfits. But very few Generation Twos are. In the end, they can adapt and then they liberalize and scrap their burkas.

One Asian nation that does assimilate immigrants surprisingly well is Singapore. Fitting in in Singapore was much easier than England.

Victor, I would rather be "vulgar" than communist-sympathizing, fidel-ass-licking, piece-of-dogshit like you. Oops, there's my foul mouth again...

BTW, you haven't confused us with facts because you haven't given us any.

I was busy catching up on some sleep after a week with the flu so I'm here late. Victor, I'm not in Miami to offer direct assistance to the balseros but if I were, yes I would. In the meantime I give as much money as my bank account allows and spend my time and energy working for a free Cuba. Goodby to you and hassan.

You know I don't even know why I am answering you. I guess you can't read. In my above comment I clearly stated that I give as much money as I am able. Val and George know exactly what I do with some of my money, none of which is any of your business. Goodby

I think you all are just getting really big-headed. Especially when it comes to the insulting of Muslims. "Instead of looking for an answer to critical voices inside Koran and as a result turning to more terrorist acts." I throughly don't think of it that way at all. Me, myself, am an athiest, and have no favouritism towards any religion.

You see, there's a fine line between freedom of speech and the insulting of a culture. The Danish have definately crossed this line, being completely rude in doing so. You have to realise that IF the government had just said a simple, "Sorry, we never meant to offend you in any manner and it was meant in good nature" I doubt embassies would be getting burnt now. But it was the Danish government that chose to be hot-headed and say that they weren't sorry. Only until they realise that their people are in danger, did they decide to try and make peace. Which shows that now that they're weak, they give up.

You also have to realise that the Prophet Muhammad is not even allowed to be re-created in Muslim religion, be it through paintings, sculptures, or any other possible way, due to idolism and mis-creation. So for a newspaper to just slap a drawing together, WITH a bomb on his head, is just plain out of the question, another reason why the Muslim world is so upset.

"It's kinda hard to like the Moslem neighbour when they pull the girls out of school as son as they have their first period, kill lamb and sheep in the street instead of at a butchers shop, engage in female circumcision, honour killings and the politicians groveling at their demands etc etc." ...Excuse me, what kind of shit have you been reading? I've travelled to MANY Muslim countries, since my father is a buisnessman and I happen to accompany him most times, and I have NEVER seen this happen. Not to mention I have Muslim friends, and I've never seen such a situation. And don't start saying I have a favoritism to Muslims because I have friends from that religion, because my best friend is a Shinto, and most of them are Christian. I'm not being bias.

For Muhammad to be wearing a bomb on his head is thoughly insulting to the Muslim religion. Just because there was 9/11 doesn't mean all Muslims are horrible, like you all make it seem. You act JUST like the media, you only feed out the bad news.

And wouldn't you be offended if your God was drawn to be known as a destructer? That you were following someone that only makes destruction?

Not to mention the follow-up cartoon, with all the other Gods. Muhammad is not God to the Muslims. God is God to the Muslims. Another great showing of arrogance there.

Why do you bother bashing a religion when you don't know anything about it?!

Islam means "peace" for a reason.

So if you actually think that the Muslims are to blame, I think it's idiots such as yourselves that are to blame. Hate only yourselves and not those that are merely standing up in love for their religion.

"Freedom of speech" is pure bullshit, because there's also a freedom to be what you are and not be oppressed because of it.

Rei,
Even if we acknowledge that the cartoon was offensive to Islam, there is absolutely no excuse to respond by burning embassies and thus trying to kill people. You asked how one of us, christians, would feel if our God or son of the God was offended? I'll tell you right know, we and may be you would respond in some way but certainly NOT BY BURNING BUILDINGS OR THREATENING LIFES OF INNOCENT PEOPLE. Remember that before you start defending Islam, your
"religion of peace?". Of course there was a time when Catholic Church was discriminating infidels but it was a long time ago and we have grown up as a religion ever since, and changed to be able to forgive. And this is something that Moslems have to learn yet, to be as tolerant as Catholics are and know how to forgive or at least know what kind of reactions are acceptable in the 21 century in this civilized world. Why don't you publish some offensive caricatures of the Pope and let see if anyone get hurt.
One more thing, even Castro responded to the ticker at the U.S.Interest Section in much more civilized, however childish and stupid ,way. And we all know what he is capable of.
Dariusz

Rei,

Your comments are idiotic. Extremist muslims are killing innocent people in all sorts of ways.

I don't see any of us flying jetliners full of innocent people into buildings full of innocent people. That is barbaric.

Obviously not all muslims are like that. But the lunatic extremists are sub human.

The solution is a missile sent right up their ass..

Rei,

You have less intelligence than a bag of rocks.

You may not value freedom of speech, but we do.

You don't value something until you lose it..

I suggest you live in Cuba for awhile, and try to speak openly... THEN and ONLY then will you be qualified to speak on that subject.

You're a barrel-full of laughs, h ASS a n.

As I told you earlier, Victor, facts have not been forthcoming from you, only red platitudes and assholery.

The Queen articulated very well what should be obvious to normal, rational, civilized people:

Tolerance does not mean tolerating that which, by its very nature, is intolerable. Simply put: If you find cancer cells in your body, and you understand the nature of a cancer cell, and its long range effect on you, there is no tolerance, there is no "dialogue." You eradicate the cancer.
You do not "tolerate" it to death. Your death. To those who think I am advocating genocide, no I am not. But I am advocating the uprooting of dysfunctional cultures and uncivilized belief-sets and behaviors from civilized lands. And this is quite doable. McArthur did it in Japan with bushido. He essentially declared "bushido is bullshit and no longer will be tolerated." He was no cultural relativist and, by the way, cultural relativism is another of those "notions" that needs to be eradicated, not tolerated as it has already done much harm to the world.

If iSSlam is such a religion of peace, why has it been spread through violence, since the 7th Century?? Why was it necessary for folks to resist it, also violently, in order to be spared its tender, loving mercy? Such as was done by one of the Quiroga ancestors, whom, am proud to say, held off an invading iSSlamic band with his men, at some choke-point in Galicia, around 715 Anno Domini, and slew a goodly number of the "peaceful" raiders, throwing them back and ensuring they never came that way again. He was not a tolerant man, and I am so glad for it!

Here's a little tip to the practitioners of the "religion of peace:" Don't piss off the descendants of the Vikings...

Hassan,
After reading news from Associated Press today I am about to change my opinion about the European's inability to coexist with Muslims.
When you read "death to all who offend Prophet Muhammad", it makes you sick and gives you an opportunity to realize once again that you, Muslims, are a bunch of fanatics trying to terrorize the whole world in the name of God. And by the way, that God of yours has nothing to do with ours and he must have come out of HELL , wherever it might be. So, being a moderate in my views, I can tell you this: Fuck you and all of those Islamic fanatics. There is no space for you in the civilized world.

Islam was the only religion spread by violence?

How did Christianity become the predominant religion in this hemisphere?

By giving away brownies?

http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/13801055.htm

In respectful response to Menocal, the point is taken, but the point is also made that Christianity did not burst out on the world with violence, nor would this have ever been mandated, much less condoned, by Jesus Christ.

Show me any so-called "religion" which forces conversion through violence and coercion, and maintains itself by the same methods, and I will show you a mere cult, a false religion...

AQ

Show me proof (actual proof) that Islam was spread violently.

It is a fact that as Beduoins from Arabia conquered territories after the death of Muhammad (Muhammad's biggest struggle were against pagan polytheists and they were trying to kill him) no Jews or Christians were killed because they were Jews or Christians.

Again, I strongly encourage people to pick up a copy of Ornament of the World and, if you can find a copy at your library, the September 1988 issue of National Geographic magazine. Its cover story is "When the Moors Ruled Spain." For the matter, pick up the Sept/Oct (?) 1999 issue of NG for another article on tolerant communities that were successful because they were tolerant and welcoming of differing points of view (Seville when Spain was called al-Andaluz is among those profiled).

Reading is good for you, really.

So...what is the argument here????

Somebody made fun of Islam and Ala? So what..they should be free to do that.

And the Muslims should be free to protest (of course..."peacefully" as their religion mandates)

And we should be free to speak in support of the Danish.

And they can make fun of the west's religions if they want.

Where's the outrage when they burn american flags?

And what part does the UN play in this? If they had any decency at all they would shut up and rather start talking about the oild for food scandal...they have some explaining to do!!!

Political correctness is in part to blame for the world being in the mess it is right now.

There is no constitutional right to not be offended...there is, however, the so-important right to say what we think.

assholery!

Love it... New term.. Is there a definition on any on-line dictionary?

LOL!!

When and if these folks revert back to their tolerant, accepting ways we won't have to worry about taking measures to ensure we do not get complacent about tolerating the intolerable. I've done enough reading on the subject over many years to know what I need to know and do. Whatever they were in the past, and violent types they were, invading Spain and killing the Gothic king Roderick at the banks of the Guadalquivir, they have certainly, in a cultural sense, mutated into rigid, intolerant barbarism, as evidenced by the terror carried out in the name of "islam." I don't see Catholics regularly blowing themselves and other innocents up, nor beheading helpless prisoners, for Jesus. islam, in many ways, has promoted a culture of death or glorification of death, not unlike what was done by the cultures of naziism and bushido. Yes, these were "cultures" too - they comprised a belief-set
held by many. That did not make them good, or civilized. It did make them worthy of eradication, and they were.

I think what the apologists for islam fear is that the "dam of tolerance" they have been exploiting is going to burst one of these days, and when it does...things are going to get ugly. Those who do not believe in "live and let live" may have to live with the consequences of their actions and beliefs.

Speaking of reading...remember what happened when Salman Rushdie penned his "Satanic Verses?" These practitioners of the "religion of tolerance" could not tolerate the thought anybody would be free to read his book as he was free to write it - thus, a fatwah: "Kill the blaspheming infidel!" I don't remember the last time the Pope issued a fatwah...

By the way, National Geographic, to which I subscribed for over 20 years, is a nice magazine with superb photography and decent writing, but it has its biases, and the articles can only scratch the surface of their given subject. There is more to it than just listing "Al Andalus" as a place where tolerance once existed, in the islamic world of the time.

I stand with the Danes.

"For the matter, pick up the Sept/Oct (?) 1999 issue of NG for another article on tolerant communities that were successful because they were tolerant and welcoming of differing points of view (Seville when Spain was called al-Andaluz is among those profiled)."

Exccuse me if I am intolerant of a bunch of invading muslim moors! Give me a freaking break, Islam's spread has been violent and I for one will not be a Dimmi! Not now, not ever!

I post in spanish and from a more European perspective... not that US focused...
but it s funny how we all are bound to agree on the same principles...
however, it s a shame to realise how most european countries are not keen to defend what is their people most valuable asset, their legacy, freedom...
but it happens that most europeans are really confused and try to get ride of their past, dont accept being what they really are and a sever antiamericanism pushes them to aligne themselfs on the wrong side of the line...
hopefully we can fix that before it gets to late...

Those of us who Germany has taken away passports to attend a Teheran research session of the law edicted by Reinhard Heidrich at the Wannsee conference know
of what they speak if they never use or mention Hebrew forged terms(two examples:[ 1.] the the Walther & Herbert Bush clan attending a church or chappel always at the eve of a decapitation strike or else a bridge bombardement in Baghdad; [2.]Catholic Cross in the air Imitations: a smile to all those of us who don't hail the Hebrew language of a Pope & Priest decoy as the shadow CINC Kerry did on all tv screens during the burrial("pompes funebres") of Roni Reagan in Washington and Arlington.
I welcome instead the "international festival of cartoons" of "Farid Mortazavi, graphics editor of Hamshahiri"(compare please: Anthony Browne, The Times, February 07 2006 ,"Cartoons""World leaders rally round as crisis deepens") which will in a nice try _d_r_a_w_ us the proof that the Western World [_ _--- actually ---_ _] _i_s__or__i_s__n_o_t_ so free as they pretend. Till today the Western world reacted with interdictions to the Reasons and Causes about the Wannsee Conference Decisions even when it is in form of a funny _Not-Hebrew_ cartoons festival in Teheran(Iran).

Funny to hear cuban americans calling muslims violent-they have turned miami into the most despotic city, a banana republic.
death threats, blocking traffic, threatening to kill anyone with a che t-shirt, intimidating people-basically they are muslims-without the balls (having lost bay of pigs, getting their stupid planes shot down, getting sea sick on their grand expidition back to cuba to harass the castro government).
no wonder fidel remains in power-maybe he is the lesser of the two evils.

Looks like we have a budding scriptwriter for SNL desperately trying to get exposure via Babalu...

Khristine, where do you live?

h, what the hell are you smoking?

Proselytizing religions always used violence as a tool to make inroads among non-believers and establishing their horrible ideas about the universe and mankind at some time or other in the history of mankind.
Do Christians remember Bruno who was burnt alive simply for preaching the diurnal motion of earth ? Turn to Asia and you can learn about forceful conversions to Christianity by missionaries.
Well, Christians were not as strongheaded like the Muslims and used 'carrots' when they realised a 'stick policy' can be a real pain in the arse.
The Muslims, it seems, are still not clever enough.
Anyway, all organised religions be it Christianity, Islam, Hinduism, Budhhism serve only one purpose: fuels parochialism and hatred.
So keep your faith to yourself and do not try to be 'holier than thou'.

Speaking of recommended reading and/or browsing...

http://www.homa.org/Details.asp?ContentID=2137352826&TOCID=2083225445

khristine,

Upset that you don't measure up and your failures can't be blamed on anyone but yourself?

Envious of Cuban-American's high standard of living and success without being hand-fed by a government? I think you are pissed off because we literally expose you as what you and your beliefs are, a FRAUD!
Were you indoctrinated in Cuba or were you just born stupid? Did you go to the Michael Moore Idiot University? You don't really care if anything you say is true, but only that it furthers your agenda.

Practice what you preach - go to Cuba, PERMANENTLY. I dare ya...
But you won't because you don't have the balls. (physically and figuratively.)

One more thing. EAT SHIT AND DIE..

Posted by: Max at February 7, 2006 07:49 PM:

Were you indoctrinated in Cuba or were you just born stupid?

Funny this is...but c'mon Max!... descubriste el agua tibia! of course she's stupid... either she was born with it, or she acquired it in some leftist workshop...

either way, she showed in that post her lack of materia gris- but then again duh! when have you seen a smart leftist???