August 22, 2006

Castro, Chavez and anti-Semitism

I was watching Globovison this evening and one guest was discussing, guess what?, “the transition”. However she was discussing from a rather different angle which made it interesting, for example discussing how much of the Venezuelan foreign policy might be actually dictated from Havana. Not for me to discuss “the transition” in this blog where brighter bulbs than me on this topic exist. The reason why I mention this is that she also said that as far as she could tell Castro had never expressed any anti Semitism. In fact, fidel stayed clear of that hot potato through his long reign. As a witness where cheap points could have been gained, Cuba has been rather silent on the whole Middle East recent situation. fidel does not need any excuse or intermediary for his fight against the good ole US of A. On the other hand Chavez has been openly courting Iran. In my own page I have been reporting on the rising anti Semitism in Venezuela (here , here or here), where like in Cuba none existed until Chavez came to office.

I was intrigued and thought about it. I started by using the search engine of my new home and I found an old post of Val (circa 2004) where he reports that there is no anti-Semitism in Cuba. I confess that I will not do further research on that as I am sure that one of the regular readers Babalú will have much better info than what I can dig. But it makes sense. The Castro brothers are from that old communist school, the one right after the Holocaust, that school which was bred on fighting racism and the opiates of the people. I am not too sure that we can congratulate fidel on that, but the fact remains that it was not enough to be Jewish to hit the Cuban gaols (right?).

What about Chavez now? What people seem to have forgotten is that one of Chavez early influences was the now dead Ceresole. This creepy character is what you can call a trashy fascist (redundancy intended). His objective, which fit into Chavez mind, was to unify army and people to create the new fascist state even if the terms were altered along the way to try to make it more palatable. In his perverted mind any culture clash to destroy liberalism was welcome even if it meant going through radical islamo-fascism. Jose Vicente Rangel, Chavez V.P., tried to get rid of the guy in Venezuela since he is more of the school of the Castros. He had it expelled but it seems that the damage had been done. Now, full of cash, free of any restraint, and with new little play pals in Teheran and Southern Lebanon, Chavez can give in to his latent anti-Semitism even if he never met a Jew until he was an adult. Ceresole might be reviving after all.

My point, and I do have one, is that there was another remark of the guest (whose name I cannot recall but who I must track down one way or another, shame on me): perhaps some of the recent Chavez moves displease Havana as much as they might displease Washington. Perhaps the Castros are ill at ease with the Ayatollahs. Perhaps even, the good Lord forbids!, if the USA had a better offer than Chavez for the post fidel era, who knows what could happen. Maybe high speculation, maybe food for thought. I will leave it at that.

Posted by DanielD at August 22, 2006 12:21 AM



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I dont know daniel, fidel has had a long love affair with certain "leaders" in the middle east.

Posted by: Val Prieto [TypeKey Profile Page] at August 22, 2006 08:44 AM

The Beast hates Jews as much as chavez. Don't be fooled.

Posted by: George L. Moneo [TypeKey Profile Page] at August 22, 2006 09:47 AM

I second Val's comment. While I don't know if fidel personally has voiced anything, Cuba's policy is anti zionist. They are pro the Palestinian estate and during the recent crisis Granma was totally anti israelly and completely pro hezbollah, cough cough, pro Lebanon

Posted by: La Ventanita [TypeKey Profile Page] at August 22, 2006 09:49 AM

Every blogger that is housed in Cuba is a mouthpiece for the regime. They are journalists in the employment of fidel, and jus go visit their sites, they are rabid anti Israel. If Iran were to realease a nuclear weapon again Israel, they would applaud it and blame Israel. Yest the tyrant is an anti-simite.

Posted by: Orlando [TypeKey Profile Page] at August 22, 2006 10:25 AM

It's a strange thing - Castro is anti Israel - though he has a large following there amongst secular Jews. Castro has helped the PLO yet leftist Jews - especially in America love and support him financially and morally. I don't know how many Upper East Side NY Times reading Jews who also support israel also love fidel. It's a staggering amount!

And to make things even more interesting Castro -it is said to have jewish blood. the contribution by secular American Jews has been immense. Just look at all the work and propaganda Sandra Levinson of the Center for Cuban Studies has done for castro - a lot.

Posted by: mandingo [TypeKey Profile Page] at August 22, 2006 10:45 AM

OK, let's go by parts.

My point is that fidel might hate Jews but he is smart enough not to be vocal about it. Whereas Chavez, his pupil, is crazy enough to be vocal about it. I added that it might suggest that fidel is not controlling huguito as much as one would have thought.

Now, let' not do the same mistake as our adversaries do: being in favor of a Palestinian state cannot automatically mean that we are anti semite or anti-Israel. Personnally in my blog I have taken significant risk by constantly denouncing Chavez anti-semitism, I have been insulted by Chavez supporters who even worte me private threatening notes. Yet, I think that Israel should cooperate more in the establishment of a Palestinian homeland and that it should not have allowed the creation of all these colonies on the West Bank which have become an additional near insolvable problem. In other words, that Castro supports a Palestinian state is not enough for us to assume that he is anti-Jew. For all that I know and that you seem to say he might, but we cannot say that only on his support for Palestine.


But Castro is not the same as the Cuban bloggers that support him, or the stupid US left that backs him up. As I wrote in the post, fidel is a product of the second world war communist mentality where it was crucial to fight racism and religion of all type to utopically unite the world. That they managed gulags was a "side issue" justified strictly on political grounds even though these only too often had racial coincidences such as the forcible removal of the Crimean Tartars.

Those in place now in Cuba are too far removed from that experience and can casually toss out words like Holocaust or Genocide just because they sound cute or because they are plain ignorant or because, unbeleivably, it has become fashionable for the anti Bush left, something much worse than ignorance. My post is thus also a reflection on the change of the political discourse, something that worries me a lot when I see people like huguito carelessly using hallowed words. When such words are made common, it is when they come back in full force to hit you.

Certainly fidel is a beast and hates all, but at least he had the smarts to focus and control his hatred and has harmed mostly Cuba. What worries me is that huguito is stupid and he is going to end up harming much more than just Venezuela.

Posted by: Daniel Duquenal [TypeKey Profile Page] at August 22, 2006 01:16 PM

Daniel, just like the rest of civil society, fidel castro decimated a once thriving Jewish community in Cuba. He also sent troops to fight along side the Arabs in the Yom Kippur War. No telling how many Jewish deaths he contributed to there. Also, decades of pro-Palestinian anti- Jewish literature and propaganda. The Jewish lefitsts who support him put their communist idealogy before their Jewishness which is cultural and not religious. Like their red minded brethern they are atheist. Castro's terrorism is responsible for plenty of deaths, in Latin America, Africa and the Middle East. Like his other misdeeds, the MSM ignores the facts.

Posted by: Ziva [TypeKey Profile Page] at August 22, 2006 01:44 PM

Ziva

Then maybe it is time to make an updated post on Babalu as to this. After all, the only one I found was from Val in 2004 and that is the one I used in my post.

Considering what is going in Venezuela now with Chavez creeping anti Semitism, then it would be good and necessary and urgent to research and publish the evidence on Castro.

However there is something that we should keep in mind when we write on these matters (to make sure we do not make it easy for the other side to weasel out of the argument): one thing is to be anti Semitic and another one is to be anti Israel. I know that for us it is impossible to understand how some people can make that difference but some do, even though I suspect that most use "I am anti Israel, only" to hide their true anti Semitic nature. Some of course like fidelito are anti anything that comes on their way but that is another story.

Posted by: Daniel Duquenal [TypeKey Profile Page] at August 22, 2006 02:59 PM

Israel is the Jewish people; yes there can be legitimate criticism of Israel that has nothing to do with anti-Semitism but if you are "anti" Israel, then you are anti Jewish, period. And if you are a Jew living in Havana and staring at anti-Semitic pro-PLO Palestinian propaganda, a group that has always advocated for the destruction of Israel and driving out the Jews there is no other interpretation, Cuban propaganda is the voice of castro, whether or not the words come out of his mouth.

Posted by: Ziva [TypeKey Profile Page] at August 22, 2006 07:30 PM

I think castro shows more restraint than The Thug, but his antisemitism is real. He knows better than to annoy the Israels, who will be happy to sell him stuff if he can keep his antisemitism in check. Also, he is a cold ruthless calculator, not a splatter-my-feelings-everywhere kind of guy like The Thug. He will express antisemitism but only if there is a concrete benefit in it for him, otherwise, he will still be antisemite but he might say less.

Check out the Cuba transition project and all its info on castro's ties to Iran, it's curdling, to say the least.

Posted by: A.M. Mora y Leon [TypeKey Profile Page] at August 22, 2006 07:48 PM

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