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You're absolutely right about the Israeli's and their c.....s. If the rest of us would do the same thing, those animals that threaten our existence would think twice before acting up or mouthing off. You know why the Israeli's don't fool around? because their very survival is at stake. That's what many in the US can't grasp. Even after 9/11 way too many of us have that "it's nothing to worry about" attitude that breeds complacency. It's a savage world out there and we'd better wake up before it's too late. Weakness breeds contempt and strength breeds respect.

Duro y a la cabeza! Es el unico idioma que entienden los pseudo-estados terroristas. Let the eurabians and other spineless types cower under their umbrellas and bowler-hats while they futilely try shooing away the terrorists with meaningless pieces of paper.

As Yoda (he must have been an Israelite) put it so well: "There is no try. Do, or do not."

Jews CAN and WILL do.

The words NEVER AGAIN, mean exactly that for all Jews. That is WHY WE CAN AND WILL DO WHATEVER IT TAKES WHEN OUR LIVES ARE THREATENED. WE DON'T CARE WHAT OTHER NATIONS THINK. WHEN IT COMES TO OUR SURVIVAL, WE DON'T NEED PERMISSION FROM THE UN OR ANYONE ELSE!

Yeah, because last time I checked Israel didn't have ANY problems due to its heavy-handedness...(this sarcasm brought to you by someone who was in Israel for two weeks in May. Something tells me the commenters above probably haven't ever been there...)

Hey Che_Day, people like you don't deserve civility in return for your IGNORANT comments. So here it is, just what you merit - Why don't you just Eat S... and Die, it would make the world a safer, more decent place for the rest of us. You sicken me!!

Che_Day. What an interesting name. Pray, tell us how you came up with that original appellation.

Mambi-What the hell are you talking about?! People like me?! What is it, exactly, that you known about me? What is so IGNORANT about my commments?

G. Moneo-I tried to think of a name that would stir up emotions and hopefully debate. I really though of it after seeing the "Che is dead sign". BTW, I'm not big fan of Che. Can you tell me what Mambi is talking about?! Seriously, I went to Israel to try to study and see the conflict firsthand. How does that make me so despicable?

Here goes Che_Day. First, your call-sign, it sends quite a negative message for those of us who see that SOB as a communist butcher who would have enslaved the whole world with his nonsensical beliefs. Secondly, your comments tell me that you don't believe what the Israeli's are doing is appropriate (i.e. aggressively fighting back), I guess they're supposed to sit tight and throw four-letter words at the enemy. Then you mention that you were in Israel for two weeks as if that is some sort of validation of your apparently "pacifist" approach to the terrorist threat. It also insinuates that the rest of us don't know what we're talking about simply because we haven't been there. Bottom-line: you came across as some arrogant liberal/leftist supporter of Che, who is whinning about our conservative, hardcore defense of our civilization in the way the Jews have defended theirs. That is what I mean by "People like you." If that's not you, then I apologize. If I'm anywhere close to the mark, then my comments stand. After 9/11, we should be aggressively defending ourselves, not playing grabass with our potential oppressors by validating the mindset that comes from a bankrupt ideology. Hope I answered your question.

Mambi,

There is MUCH room between Israeli tactics and sitting there "lobbing four letter words". I think you mischaracterized/misunderstood my point. You would do well not to see things in such polemic terms. Criticize Israel, and automatically I'm a leftist liberal pussy? Come on...

There are shades of grey my friend, between Israeli tactics as well as between your perceived us -vs- them, right -vs- left world. Some of us can support Israel's right to exist and it's right to defend itself but still think critically about the moral and strategic implications of HOW it does that. Just like some of us can, *gasp*, support our troops no matter how much we disagree with ANY misguided mission they're sent on. Personally, I am gung-ho for the operation in Afghanistan, to root out those who ATTACKED US. However, when I see troops being diverted from that important mission for little bushy's fiasco...

I mentioned that I was there only as a frame of reference, not to support any pre-conceived ideology. I support your right to believe in a more heavy-handed approach, but I'm skeptical that anyone as backward as islamic fundamentalists could ever be our "oppressors". They can terrorize and kill, but never oppress us because quite simply, we are better than them.

Read William Faulk's Letter from the Editor in "The Week" Magazine. It's at www.theweekmagazine.com. I think you'll like it. The concluding sentence is "Up yours, Osama."

Che_Day, You may actually be a decent guy, but I still vehemently disagree with you. "Grey Areas" - not in this struggle. Go ahead and get lost in those "Grey areas" of yours, the ones that lead to moral relativism and eventually to defeat. I realize they occasionally do exist, but not when it comes to an issue of survival. As for Afghanistan and your opinion of our oppressors - you're way off. I just spent six months there. Yea, most are still back in the 17th century, but they're "hungrier" and have more will than those of us in the West. They also have fellow "oppressors" that have nuclear capabilities, or have you forgotten Iran. There are radical Muslims in Pakistan who would love to seize power and put their hands on their own nukes, and there are billionare Muslims in the Middle East who have no problem with funding their religion's imperialist goals, etc, etc, etc. The point is - they're capable of kicking our ass, something that will be made easier the more we arrogantly underestimate them. Also, bluntly; it's assinine to think that if we would have only stayed in Afghanistan everything would be just fine - B.S. - pure strategic folly in light of 9/11 and the stated goals of Al Qaeda and their fellow travellers. Go ahead and put 500,000 troops in Afghanistan - now what? Are you going to invade Pakistan to get Bin Laden and his supporters? meantime, Saddam remains in power and would certainly have provided safehaven for Al Qaeda, rebuilding his nuclear and bio/chem program while we sat jerking-off with the Taliban in Afghanistan. However, maybe you're willing to invade Pakistan, while criticizing our invasion of Iraq. That sorry, pathetic strategic analysis by the anti-war crowd is so nonsensical that it demands contempt. I could go on, but I'm tired, plus I can sense that you are caught up in that great "lie" that the Left lives in and has sold our ill-informed masses. THINK!! for God's sake THINK.

Thanks for your response. I do THINK, probably more so than most of the American public. I wonder where you get the assertion that Saddam Hussein would have provided safe haven for Iraq, except for the dishonest Bush administration and its cronies. In fact, Saddam loved absolute power and let NO terrorist groups have any significant foothold in his country. May I remind you that Al-Quaeda in Iraq was formed AFTER THE US INVASION, when our destabilization created a void that they were all to happy to fill. YOU think sir.

Secondly, attacking us, even with the horrors of nuclear weapons, is not DESTROYING us. I ache for every life lost in 9/11, but have you considered how that number equates as a percentage of total population?! The grandest plan these camel fuckers could come up with hurt us in a deeply pschological way, but is our military capacity, planning capacity, economy, etc. any worse off because of them? No.

And finally, since folks here like to talk about the strawman argument, saying that we shouldn't have troops in Afghanistan because terrorists will just go elsewhere is a total logical fallacy. You can say that until we have troops in all unfriendly countries except one. It doesn't change the fact that you still go after your enemy where they are and don't needlessly devote troops elsewhere.

Its very clear we don't agree with each other, but I would suggest you refrain from making snap judgements about me personally like you did originally and telling me now to THINK. Just because you don't agree with me doesn't mean I don't think anymore than the inverse is true.

PS-You cannot live your life by where, as you put it, your ideas may "lead to". That's as ridiculous as me saying "go ahead and see things in simple black and white terms. That's what hitler did." Just because something CAN lead to a way of thought (moral relativism, etc.) doesn't mean it will. You do yourself and those you dialouge with a diservice with such faulty logic.

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