September 20, 2007

A reminder...

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Next time someone tells you that there's a difference between liberalism and socialism and communism remember this photo. And remember that no candidate is going to come out and say that he or she would systematically take away your rights and give the state absolute power over your life. They'll use nice nice sounding words and slogans like "social justice" and "equitable distribution" to justify the unjustifiable.

H/T: echuta

Posted by Henry Louis Gomez at September 20, 2007 01:51 AM



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Even che looks scared of her!!

Posted by: Scott [TypeKey Profile Page] at September 20, 2007 06:48 AM

"social justice", "equitable distribution"... and mandatory "health care".

Posted by: Ziva [TypeKey Profile Page] at September 20, 2007 07:35 AM

I'm by no means a fan of Hillary but please, let's put things in perspective. She is nowhere near the same league as che. I would put che in the same league as fidel, stalin, pol pot, kim-jong il, etc.

I think that if we are going to spread the message about the REALITIES of che, we have to put him in his rightful category: among the evil leaders of the 20th century. If you equate him with the Clintons, you're not sending the right message out to the public. I know people who would agree with the Clintons, but NO ONE should agree with executions based on one's beliefs.

Posted by: Dave Sandoval [TypeKey Profile Page] at September 20, 2007 07:37 AM

...and it's not as if she's wearing the shirt herself.

Posted by: jsb [TypeKey Profile Page] at September 20, 2007 07:38 AM

I just wonder if everyone would be just as understanding if this was a picture of Fred Thompson or Rudy Giulliani with a supporter in the background wearing a "Pinochet Was Right" shirt. Or perhaps one of those "The Only Good Commie is a Dead Commie" shirt.

Somehow, I think the reaction would be different.

Posted by: albertodelacruz [TypeKey Profile Page] at September 20, 2007 08:10 AM

". . . If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, I would call it a duck."

+ In New Hampshire (May/2007):
Senator Clinton outlined an economic vision that sought to replace the notion of an "ownership society" with one based on "shared prosperity" - focusing on the redistribution of wealth by raising the incomes of, and benefits for, lower earners.
http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=ODZjNjI4ZTNjZmNiOGMxYjAwOTg1ZGI0NmFiOWFjZjI=

+ At a June 4, 2007 event hosted by Sojouners(http://www.sojo.net/index.cfm?action=about_us.community), the evangelical Christian ministry which has long championed communist causes, Mrs. Clinton said, "…I certainly think the free market has failed. We've all failed."

+ In 1969 Hillary Rodham wrote her senior thesis (titled "There Is Only the Fight": An Analysis of the Alinsky Model) on the theories of radical Chicago organizer Saul Alinsky, whose activist tactics and strategies she greatly admired. Ultimately, Hillary's investigation of Alinsky's methods and ideals led her to conclude that the Lyndon Johnson-era federal antipoverty programs did not go far enough in redistributing wealth among the American people, and did not give sufficient power to the poor.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17388372/

For the above and so many other ... I'm not surprised to see a Hillary supporter proudly wearing a "Support Hillary Button" over his che t-shirt!

Let's not forget that those who talk about "social justice" are really talking about socialism and communism! It's just a matter of semantics ...

I wish you well :) Melek

"Socialist ideology, like so many others, has two main dangers. One stems from confused and incomplete readings of foreign texts, and the other from the arrogance and hidden rage of those who, in order to climb up in the world, pretend to be frantic defenders of the helpless so as to have shoulders on which to stand." ~ Jose Marti

Posted by: Melek [TypeKey Profile Page] at September 20, 2007 08:56 AM

But let's think about how we can use this picture to our advantage. If and when Hillary goes to Florida to campaign, I think we can use that picture and have her explain it away. If she wants the Florida vote, she will have to denounce che guevara publicly, and in the national media.

That way, we will be using the Hillary platform to spread the message about the REAL che on a national level.

Posted by: Dave Sandoval [TypeKey Profile Page] at September 20, 2007 09:08 AM

And just from Associated Press ... last night. . . a good insight into Hillary's "modus operandi" (http://www.newsmax.com/insidecover/clinton_on_clinton/2007/09/20/34213.html)

'Saying the "cumbersome" rules of the nation's capital often prevent radical shifts, the Democratic presidential candidate painted herself as a measured politician pragmatically focused on accomplishing change bit by bit.'


"I'm somebody who just gets up every day and tries to push that decision a little bit further every single day," she said.

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I wish you well :) Melek

"It is only prudent never to place complete confidence in that by which we have even once been deceived." ~ Descartes

Posted by: Melek [TypeKey Profile Page] at September 20, 2007 10:22 AM

Nobody is comparing the clintons with che, but the fact that che admirers are clinton supporters says something about the clintons' base.

Posted by: Scott [TypeKey Profile Page] at September 20, 2007 10:29 AM

She is a centrally planning, elitist snob certain in her divine right and ability to run our lives and spend our money for us in a manner far superior to anything we could do if just left alone with what's ours in the first place.

Posted by: Tomas Estrada-Palma [TypeKey Profile Page] at September 20, 2007 11:21 AM

Posted by: Ziva [TypeKey Profile Page] at September 20, 2007 11:43 AM

Gentlemen, why worry...? Do you really think
that America wants the Clintons back in the White House??? No chance.

Posted by: Jane [TypeKey Profile Page] at September 20, 2007 12:02 PM

I stand by what I wrote. Who do you think the people are who support these types of candidates. We already know that the democrats are stuck on dishonesty, stuck on hypocrisy, stuck on failed ideas. It's not just the coincidence that in this one picture there's che shirt wearing person. Let me ask you something. Did Che and Fidel promise firing squads and confiscations and the elimination of political speech freedoms? Of course not. The they promised a return to democracy and social justice and a more equitable distribution. Just be vigilant is all I'm saying.

Posted by: Henry "Conductor" Gomez [TypeKey Profile Page] at September 20, 2007 12:09 PM

Henry:

Castro is a madman! A sociopath, a psycho path, can't you see it in his face? The likelihood of getting another one like him is highly unlikely. Instead of being so afraid of the LEFT check out what's is going on right now on the RIGHT! That is where the fear should be.

Posted by: Jane [TypeKey Profile Page] at September 20, 2007 12:17 PM

What exactly is it about the right that you fear? Smaller government, lower taxes, more local control of education, judges that interpret the constitution rather than fabricate it out of whole cloth?

Posted by: Henry "Conductor" Gomez [TypeKey Profile Page] at September 20, 2007 12:25 PM

If somebody wearing a swastika T-shirt had gotten anywhere near her, that person would never have been allowed to get close enough to be photographed with her like this. Her people would have intervened, and even if somehow the guy had gotten to her, does anybody believe she would have behaved like it was nothing and just kept on smiling?

If anybody does believe that, I regret to inform him/her that he/she is mentally retarded.

Posted by: asombra [TypeKey Profile Page] at September 20, 2007 12:36 PM

Don't mean to hijack this board, but I found this interesting and it pertains to what we talked about on the Fred Thompson post.

They're rivals for the White House now, but during eight years in the Senate together, Republican presidential hopefuls Fred Thompson and John McCain were close allies.

An Arizona Republic analysis of Senate votes found that Thompson and McCain were on the same side in 83 percent of the approximately 2,500 roll-call votes taken from 1995 to 2003, when Thompson represented Tennessee.

Here is the full link:
http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/0920comparison0920.html

Posted by: Angel Rodriguez [TypeKey Profile Page] at September 20, 2007 12:41 PM

I see that I have already been bleeped out of this
convesation as I do not see a posting I wrote regarding making decisions not out of fear but out of courage and hope and positive reasoning and feelings.
__Now Henry, about that good question you asked! I don't think the right always does well with the poor and disenfranchised. Not everyone competes well in the capitalistic system of "only the strong survive" . Come on... we are Christians aren't we??? Catholics... I have never heard a more unchristian like attitude than among people who say they are Christians.

Posted by: Jane [TypeKey Profile Page] at September 20, 2007 12:48 PM

So this is what I mean about the "right". I have been censored already once before on this blog, and I refuse to submit to this again. Talk to me when you have grown some cojones.(as you guys like to say).

Posted by: Jane [TypeKey Profile Page] at September 20, 2007 12:57 PM

Ah, now we get to the heart of the matter. If you will allow your reason and your logic to take over for a second, you may be open to the truth I am about to lay on you, Jane. Conservatives don't believe in social darwinism. We recognize it to be true. In life there will always be winners and there will always be losers. Regardless of the system. The thing is that we believe in leaving charity to the charities. It's a fact that when taxation in our country goes down, that charitable giving goes up. That's not because we're a selfish nation. It's the exact opposite. Of all the major industrialized nations we currently have the lowest taxation rates and NOT SURPRISINGLY have the highest levels of charitable giving.

I am indeed a Christian and a Catholic and would like to direct my charitable money toward the charities that are in line with my way of thinking not to fund some 13 year old girl's abortion that her parents don't even know about.

Posted by: Henry "Conductor" Gomez [TypeKey Profile Page] at September 20, 2007 01:00 PM

I'm not sure I know what censorship you are talking about but I'll remind everyone here that a blog is private property. Which means you play by the hosts rules. The first amendment protects you from government censorship and is not a license to say anything you want anywhere you want. Don't believe me? Go tell your boss that he's an asshole and take it up with the Supreme court by claiming it's your right.

Posted by: Henry "Conductor" Gomez [TypeKey Profile Page] at September 20, 2007 01:03 PM

You send me the rules and I will abide by them, OK? Unless it means changing my opinions and what I believe is true.

I will not argue with you about this anymore because I am not here to change your views just to
ask you to think about what you are saying. OH! about that 13 yr. old? who didn't ask her parents before getting that abortion??? Where were her parents in the first place?? Who knows whose baby it was... maybe her incestuous Dad? Who knows. Why is it always assumed that the teenager is the one who is making the mistake? Maybe the parents are totally and completely "out of it and unfit to be parents. Not everyone received "good parenting" like YOU Henry!!! And that precisely is WHY we need the Democrats.

Posted by: Jane [TypeKey Profile Page] at September 20, 2007 01:28 PM

So you are saying that it's my responsibility to pay for that abortion as a taxpayer? And not only that, that a child can't get a tattoo without parental permission but should be able to get an abortion without it?

If a girl is being raped by her father, she needs to visit the department of children and families. Then when they become her legal guardians, they should determine what to do about a pregancy.

You know that example is a canard anyway. The vast vast majority of these teenaged abortions have NOTHING to do with incest.

Posted by: Henry "Conductor" Gomez [TypeKey Profile Page] at September 20, 2007 01:35 PM

Yeah, we NEED the democrats to be our parents whether we like it or not.

Oh brother.

And we can make up the rules as we go along on this blog. again, it's private property. Don't like it? You know where the door is sweetheart.

Posted by: Henry "Conductor" Gomez [TypeKey Profile Page] at September 20, 2007 01:36 PM

Oh, one more thing about those right wing judges??
The ones that are interpreting the constituiton instead of "fabricating it out of whole cloth?". Those judges have been bought and paid for by lobbyists who "entice" them to make rulings favoring giant corporations and ceo's. Another reason we need Democrats in office NOW!

Posted by: Jane [TypeKey Profile Page] at September 20, 2007 01:47 PM

No back-up for those allegations? Of course not, who needs facts when you have allegations. Notice folks how there was no answer to the FACTS about charitable giving. When they don't have an answer they change the subject and hope you weren't paying attention. Keep it coming Jane. I'll be here. You'll never get the last word. That's one of my RULES.

Posted by: Henry "Conductor" Gomez [TypeKey Profile Page] at September 20, 2007 01:50 PM

At a June 4, 2007 event hosted by Sojouners(http://www.sojo.net/index.cfm?action=about_us.community), the evangelical Christian ministry which has long championed communist causes, Mrs. Clinton said, "I certainly think the free market has failed. We've all failed."

Sojourners? (NY accent) Don' get me stahted...

I somehow got on their e-mail list and they regularly tell me to send them money and to pray for America to stop the evil war, and how Petraeus is evil blah-blah-blah.

I am a Christian but every time they spam me, I hit reply* and ask them why they never ask us to pray for Al Qaeda, Osama, Zawahiri et al to repent of their ways and "stop the evil war", since they have far more power to end the bloodshed in the ME than America does. I also ask if this means that they don't believe the terrorists have done anything wrong, or that Islamists are exempt from having to repent and believe and become followers of Christ.

You would think that if they were a serious Christian organization that these would be crucial aspects of their ministry, but they save all their rebukes for America and Israel. Apparently they are from the Jim Jones sect of Christianity. (That, and like activists in South LA who will move heaven and earth to put a cop in jail but won't say a peep about gang members in their community, I'm sure they're afraid of getting blown up.)

Anyway, I tell them that until they are willing to call on Osama & Co. to repent, they will not get one dime from me.

I've replied this way about a half-dozen time but so far I haven't gotten any response. What a shock...

*(Like many spam senders, if you just hit reply, your reply will be rejected because they have it set up so that the reply doesn't go to the e-mail address you see at the top. You have to manually type in that address on your reply and then it will go through.)

Posted by: Zhangliqun [TypeKey Profile Page] at September 20, 2007 01:53 PM

No Henry! It is not your responsibiltiy to pay for that 13 yr. olds abortion. IT IS OUR responsibility to pay for that war in IRAQ though-and not only with your tax money but with your children's lives!! Kind of a hard price to pay, huh? Oh, but of course - your son and mine won't have to go to fight because we have a lower class in this country who will gladly send their sons and daughter to fight Bush's war for oil as they will get paid more than they could ever get paid working honestly for the minimum wage.

Posted by: Jane [TypeKey Profile Page] at September 20, 2007 01:56 PM

OH,

Another thing you want facts (About those corrupt judges???) I will give you facts... I hear about them every single day from a lawyer who has to fight them every day to make a living. Want to talk to him??? He is my husband and a more honest man you will never meet. Henry, just one favor please. Please do not call me sweet heart OK pimp?

Posted by: Jane [TypeKey Profile Page] at September 20, 2007 02:00 PM

Little miss know it all, again misrepresenting the facts. Fact, it is the federal government's constitutional responsibility to govern the country's foreign affairs and unfortunately we can't require a unanimous agreement from every citizen. That's why we elect representatives. Also perhaps you didn't know this but we have a professional volunteer army (also navy, air force and marines). Nobody is being forced to fight this war. In fact many of the veterans have reinlisted and returned to the war voluntarily.

Don't let the facts get in the way of good story though.

Posted by: Henry "Conductor" Gomez [TypeKey Profile Page] at September 20, 2007 02:04 PM

How dare you insult me with that bullshit rhetoric about us having a volunteer army! I know we do but mainly they are there to better their chances of affording college and getting ahead. I am sure they did not enlist to get sent to this crazy war. I know sons of some of my friends who have committed suicide after coming back from a tour of duty, young men (boys) of 21 years old who told their parents. "Mom, I am not cut out for this civilian world after what I have seen." So he blew his brains out. This after receiving a hot new red corvette and enrolling in college (courtesy of our US Army).
Wake up Henry and smell the coffee. It won't hurt you to know the truth.

Posted by: Jane [TypeKey Profile Page] at September 20, 2007 02:15 PM

Everyone knows that the reason those brave soldiers reenlist for another tour of duty is because they refuse to leave their comrades back in IRAQ without backup and cover to be killed. They have a conscience, more than I can say for our leaders!

Posted by: Jane [TypeKey Profile Page] at September 20, 2007 02:28 PM

Sweetheart,

I dare because I can. Next time you see a uniformed member of our armed forces I'd like for you to go tell him or her how sorry you feel for them because they are from the lower end of the socioeconomic spectrum and they are fighting a rich man's war. See what they tell you.

Also your husband should come on here and tell us about these corrupt conservative judges. What kind of man has his wife fight his battles for him?

And lastly sweetheart, it seems that you think the world would be a better place with Saddam Hussein still in power, sending scud missiles into Israel, firing on our aircraft in the no-fly zone and generally flouting the terms of the surrender of the first gulf war. Maybe you have a thing for "rape rooms". I don't know, but I think it's funny that you've put yourself in a position of defending such an animal.

Posted by: Henry "Conductor" Gomez [TypeKey Profile Page] at September 20, 2007 02:30 PM

Ok - I am getting too angry to keep posting plus I have housework to do. Thanks for letting me say my peace! Good bye and I wish you all well. Your are all my brothers and sisters- Viva Cuba Libre!!!! I know it will be here someday and someday very soon.

Posted by: Jane [TypeKey Profile Page] at September 20, 2007 02:34 PM

henry, henry, henry...

Just because I am against the war, doesn't mean I am for SADDAM!
Why are you being so simplistic? Maybe because you are simple-minded? No, I take that back - I AM being simple-minded to try to make sense with someone who is consumed with their hatred for Castro. Get over it Henry! He will be dead soon... who will you hate then?? I am sure you will find someone. Hasta la vista, brother!

Posted by: Jane [TypeKey Profile Page] at September 20, 2007 03:06 PM

If you are against the war now, I can only assume you were against the war then. Remember, back when the democrats were in favor it too? And if so, I would wonder what your strategy for doing with Saddam was. I personally would have had him assassinated. It would have saved us a lot of trouble and the blood of many Iraqis and Americans. But since we don't do that anymore, it's unseemly don't you know, we had to play by the rules that have been thrust upon us. The idea of containing a Saddam through sanctions is the just as faulty as the logic of removing castro through an embargo. And for those stupid folks who think that means I'm against the embargo, it does not. I would be in favor of a much more direct course of action. In the absence of that, I'd like to keep the embargo.

But Saddam was doing deals with countries that were supposed to be our allies and flouting the oil for food program. No wonder those "allies" were against the war.

Yes I hate castro. I'm not consumed by it. But I hate him. And I'll hate anyone who stands against certain general principles of freedom. Since there will never be a shortage of such people, I will never have to worry about who to hate next.

But I love you, OK. Thanks for your continued readership.

Bye darling.

Posted by: Henry "Conductor" Gomez [TypeKey Profile Page] at September 20, 2007 03:27 PM

Janes gone? Good, but just in case you're reading I have a couple of things I'd like to add:
"I will not argue with you about this anymore because I am not here to change your views just to ask you to think about what you are saying."

We do that before we post, and after about 4 years of blogging, you haven't brought up anything new. Here's my advice for the next time you visit someones blog; read the entire thing before you open your mouth to criticize.

Secondly, when it comes to our military the elitist rhetoric from you and those like you-- that our boys sign up because they don't have other options in life is an insult, and Babalu will not tolerate insulting our troops.

Posted by: Ziva [TypeKey Profile Page] at September 20, 2007 03:32 PM

Thank you Henry. I love you too, and I mean that.

You make some great points! I admire that you care enough to write about what you think. Bye for now.
~Jane

Posted by: Jane [TypeKey Profile Page] at September 20, 2007 03:38 PM

Jane, You've Insulted everyone in the Military, people like my best friend, his wife and father, and millions of others who believe this country is still worth defending. Insulted Henry and other Cuban-Americans because they have personally known the destruction that Castro has done to Cuba: once one of the richest countries in Latin-America, Now one of the poorest ( do you realize that Cuba will have to be rebuilt to get to the point when Castro took over ?). AND in addition You showed you manifest Prejudice by linking Conservative and Corruption, considering that the Democratic Congress is trying find different ways of hiding the pork is
ridiculous.......

Posted by: el polaco [TypeKey Profile Page] at September 20, 2007 03:42 PM

Jane, Henry has you pegged. When someone rebuts your argument, you change the subject:

* He answered your argument that you are being censored by explaining that censorship laws apply only to the government, not to private enterprises. You ignored his answer and then complained about how Republicans don't help the poor.

* He rebutted your argument with right wing views of how to help the poor, namely that the lower taxes go, the higher charitable giving rises. You didn't answer but went on to screaming about "right wing judges bought and paid for by lobbyists".

* He asked you for evidence of these allegations and you again ignored him and started comparing taxpayers paying for abortions for 13-year olds without parental consent to taxpayers paying for a war, and about minimum wage and God knows what else.

But I'll bite. If Henry or others haven't already beaten me to it, I'll answer you:

No Henry! It is not your responsibiltiy to pay for that 13 yr. olds abortion. IT IS OUR responsibility to pay for that war in IRAQ though-and not only with your tax money but with your children's lives!!

(Ed McMahon voice) You are CORRRRECT, Sir! It is nowhere in the constitution that abortions for pregnant adolescents are to be paid for by the federal government. However, it IS in the Constitution that we do pay for wars -- in the preamble to be exact: "To provide for the common defense..."

Also, back in '05 my brother was almost killed in Afghanistan. That other war for "oil".

Kind of a hard price to pay, huh? Oh, but of course - your son and mine won't have to go to fight because we have a lower class in this country...

First, I take it you are a member the upper crust?

...who will gladly send their sons and daughter to fight Bush's war for oil as they will get paid more than they could ever get paid working honestly for the minimum wage.

Ah, the elitist snob, yet another Queen of Condescension, emerges.

No-one at an income level significantly below yours could actually believe that Saddam, Osama, al-Sadr and Ahmedinajad actually are infinitely worse people than Bush and that America is actually worth giving our lives, if necessary, to protect it from people like them. No, we're all just a bunch of benighted, mentally retarded, dumpster-diving hobos who can't see past the next quarter handed to us out a car window at an off-ramp. But you're willing to pretend you care about us (even though you'd never let us in your gated community) because you want to use us as mascots for your causes, emotional sticks to beat your political opponents into submission without having to actually win an argument on the merits: "Look how Bush is using these poor, stupid hicks to fight 'his' war!"

The funny thing is, that as Henry and I have pointed out, you keep changing the subject because you are either unwilling or unable to defend your positions. You seem to believe in drive-by emotionalism as a legitimate debate tactic, as if reality changes to suit your mood if you yell loud enough, sob long enough or wring your hands tightly enough and change the subject quickly enough.

My brother was almost killed in Afghanistan in part because people like you believe that America is worse than even nuclear armed religious fanatics. Between that and your total reliance on emotion as a substitute for substantive debate, I gotta say that even though you may have more money than me, you are way, way dumber-er than me.

Posted by: Zhangliqun [TypeKey Profile Page] at September 20, 2007 03:42 PM

Zhangliqun,

I bow to your exquisite debunking and debating precision. Wonderfully done.

Posted by: Val Prieto [TypeKey Profile Page] at September 20, 2007 04:35 PM

I try...

Posted by: Zhangliqun [TypeKey Profile Page] at September 20, 2007 05:09 PM

Dear Zhangliqun:
Good job!
Too bad nothing that you said was true! I am not upper crust(At least not by the standard of money made or by Bush's standard. _ I do not live in a gated community which I am sure a lot of you do seeing your paranoia always coming out at all times.

Funny thing I do not see your good friend -the esteemed Carlos Eire post here and entertain you guys. Maybe because he wouldn't be caught dead posting on this blog.

Posted by: Jane [TypeKey Profile Page] at September 20, 2007 06:21 PM

Too bad nothing that you said was true!

Nothing, huh? So you're saying you actually did answer Henry directly on each of his points and that you didn't constantly change the subject?

I am not upper crust(At least not by the standard of money made or by Bush's standard.

Hey, for all I know, you may be a dumpster diver yourself. But as with any discussion on the net where all we know about the other person is the words they voluntarily post in here, I can only go by what you said, which was:

Oh, but of course - your son and mine won't have to go to fight because we have a lower class in this country who will gladly send their sons and daughter to fight Bush's war for oil as they will get paid more than they could ever get paid working honestly for the minimum wage.

Given that the overwhelming majority of soldiers are (like the rest of the population) middle class and you refer to them as "a lower class" of whom your children are not a member, you must be in the class above middle class, and the only thing on the menu above middle class is the upper class. Again, what do I have to go by except your own words?

Even if you want to try to wriggle off that hook on some technicality, your comment still wreaks of a Kerry-esque, let-them-eat-cake, "stuck in Iraq" snobbery because -- again, you imply, no, flatout SAY -- that the majority of the people in the military are idiots who enlisted because they had no hope of getting anything better than a minimum wage job in civilian life. Not exactly the words of a member in good standing of the proletariat.

I do not live in a gated community...

...and there it is -- the technicality you want to get off on. You may not actually be a limousine liberal living with a gate between you the very same poor people you claim to care about, but you sure do talk like one. So as far as this forum goes, if it walks like a duck and talks like a duck...

...which I am sure a lot of you do...

I don't even live in a house, just an apartment with a Toyota dealership and a roaring freeway right outside my back window. The dealership finds its cars in the back lot by turning on the car alarm and walking toward the sound. Yup, I'm a regular blue blood all right.

...seeing your paranoia always coming out at all times.

Accusations of paranoia from someone suffering from Bush Derangement Syndrome? Also, please give an example of my paranoia.

Funny thing I do not see your good friend -the esteemed Carlos Eire post here and entertain you guys. Maybe because he wouldn't be caught dead posting on this blog.

I've never met Carlos Eire and I'm relatively new to this place so I'm not even sure who he is. I'll let the vets here field that one.

Posted by: Zhangliqun [TypeKey Profile Page] at September 20, 2007 07:27 PM

Carlos Eire is a Yale professor whose memoir "Waiting for Snow in Havana" is a National Book Award winner. Eire is a Pedro Pan Cuban exile. He has been a two time guest on our internet radio show and has contributed writings to this blog.

Posted by: Henry "Conductor" Gomez [TypeKey Profile Page] at September 20, 2007 07:51 PM

What does Professor Eire have to do with this discussion? He is not a contributing writer at this blog, which as I pointed out before, you would know if you took the time to read Babalu. The list of contributing writers is on the upper portion of the right sidebar.

Posted by: Ziva [TypeKey Profile Page] at September 20, 2007 07:53 PM

Ok, this is totally nuts!!

I am trying to share MY point of view with all of you. I feel it has some merit. Obviously, you don't agree. That does not make me wrong only states your disagreement.

The reason I brought up Carlos Eire's name is because I know he is not one to argue and beleaguer(sp?)the point of whose right and whose wrong to think the way they do. Being an intelligent man, a sane one I might add, he would never agree with the opinion or the manner of stating your opinion that so much of you do here on this blog. I had a nice discussion with Henry and we ended it very civilliy, but then Ziva had to come in with her vitriol and accuse me of things I have never felt or said. You guys talk about the MSM. Well, you act like the MSM= because you sound like Ann Coulter, Bill O'Reilly, and Sean Hannity just to name a few. Also, how dare you go after Gloria Estefan? What has she done to you. Oh WAIT, I KNOW she let Carlos Santana be in her album. OH HEAVEN HELP US!!! What a crime!!! What will you guys do next, start burning books?? All the ones written by commies like John Dean, Alan Greenspan etc. etc. Please! Basta ya!

Posted by: Jane [TypeKey Profile Page] at September 20, 2007 08:44 PM

Oh my bad! I forgot to mention that Carlos S. was wearing a che guevara t-shirt! Yes we all get annoyed when people wear che guevara t-shirts, but if you ask them who they were and what does it stand for them it is something so totally in contrast to OUR KNOWLEDGE of who he was. To them it means they are against the Establishment much like the hippies did in the 6o's or by having Mao Tse Tung posters. I never did but I knew people back then who did and they are now tax abiding citizens and as far ideologically from MAO as you can get. In fact too much so as their idealism went out the door when they aged. Anyways, think what you want to think, yeah, yeah, everyone is a moron and a commie except you guys on the Babalu Blog. Whatever!

Posted by: Jane [TypeKey Profile Page] at September 20, 2007 09:45 PM

Santana knows exactly who che guevara was. I had the misfortune of engaging him in a conversation about it and he's bought into the che-as-martyr for social justice myth lock, stock, and barrel.

Posted by: Henry "Conductor" Gomez [TypeKey Profile Page] at September 20, 2007 10:27 PM

Jane the only thing I accused you of was insulting our troops, which you did. Other than that, I just pointed out the obvious, which is you are making comments that are old hat to us and you would have known that if you´d taken the time to read the blog. I did not call you either a moron or a communist.

Posted by: Ziva [TypeKey Profile Page] at September 20, 2007 10:31 PM

He is misinformed Henry. Only misinformed, he is a musician NOT a politician, and frankly I really dislike how Cubans go after other Cubans. We are brothers and sisters not enemies. We are not in Cuba here and we don't need people spying on each other like the Neighborhood Commite for the defense of the Revolucion. I remember clearly Gloria taking a stand against having Elian deported back to Cuba. How quickly people forget! Anyways, good night all. Today is the last day of summer and boy it is really getting cooler fast. Darn.

Posted by: Jane [TypeKey Profile Page] at September 20, 2007 11:50 PM

I would say, after meeting him, that Santana is closer to retarded than misinformed but he is a true believer nonetheless. And yes Gloria stood on the right side during Elian which is why it is ridiculous for her to team up with the unrepentant Che lover for what I can only assume is financial reasons. And in case you didn't know it Gloria recently told fans in Italy that she was going to vote for Hillary because the presidency needs estrogen or words to that effect. How quickly she forgot about Elian and Hillary's husband who sent him back. I think perhaps Gloria's become a little detached from the real Miami.

Posted by: Henry "Conductor" Gomez [TypeKey Profile Page] at September 21, 2007 07:31 AM

If a person wears a Che T-Shirt, he/she ought to do some research and find out the obvious and not-so-hard-to-find facts. I would never wear a T-Shirt with anyone who I don't know who he is. Either 1) Santana is an idiot or 2) He really knows who Che was.

As per Gloria Stefan, she can vote for Hilarry, she can produce a CD with Santana if she likes. But producing a CD with Santana AND naming it "90 miles" it's a little too much, it's a disrespect to all us Cubans, especially the families of those killed by the butcher.

Also, every time I hear someone saying something around "I’ll vote for Hillary because it's a woman", that tells me a lot about that person. What does sex have to do with anything?

Posted by: rg [TypeKey Profile Page] at September 21, 2007 11:11 AM

BOY! That was a long one.

I sure hope the enemies of the Cuban-American community and perpetuators of the "Batista loving, irrationally intrasigent, undemocratic, bullyingly intollerant and self-righteously fanatic Miami Mafia" MYTH ... don't see this thread. (I think I made up a few cool words there)

This can't be a proud day in Babalusiland.

(This comment is not meant for posting, it is for you guys only, so feel free to censor it.)

Posted by: cheomedalla [TypeKey Profile Page] at September 21, 2007 12:28 PM

huh?

cuckoo.

Posted by: Henry "Conductor" Gomez [TypeKey Profile Page] at September 21, 2007 01:07 PM

Glad you concur. Acceptance is the first step to recovery.

Posted by: cheomedalla [TypeKey Profile Page] at September 21, 2007 06:54 PM

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