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Yup.

What a depressing evening. In November, conservatives won't have a horse in the race. What's the point of voting?

We are officially screwed bigtime BC the conservative movement is now officially over. Ronald Reaganism is in its count down like times square in new years eve. We will soon have open borders, higher taxes, and every Christian will have Jogn McCain's finger in his bigoted eye!

This totally blows!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

PS.......Hey Fred Thompson, fuck you for not being the conservative until the last debate in SC. Its all your fault A-Hole!

I meant the "bigoted John McCain" will have his finger in the Christians eye because John is a bigot against the Church.

How about the Huckster running interference for McCain in Iowa and South Carolina.

With the Republican party now going liberal, it creates a conservative vacuum, which a third party could fill.

Jluix,

A third party is not an option. There aren't enough conservatives to ever win a general election. Plus it would create a mess in congress. No, what we need to do is take our medicine, a strong dose of Hillary Clinton and socialism for 4 years so that the party can once again galvinize around conservatism.

The way it is going the USA is becoming Canada south.

Henry,

That's beginning to seem like the the sad and sobering reality. What's the point of sending a run-of-the-mill liberal (McCain) to Washington? Let 'em have a liberal fascist (Hillary/Obama). Seems like the country needs a tangible reminder of socialism's failures (Carter era) before it rejects it again.

Yup.

Yo Everyone -

Bought a "Scrimshawed" 'fossil' clothespin this evening. It will come in handy comes "Noviembre."

-S-

No offense folks, but let's get realistic. It is perverse to say that what we need is hillary in the whitehouse because we don't feel mccain is conservative enough.

We're americans first. That's similar mentality to the dems hoping the economy tanks and that things go bad in the war so their party can prosper.

Do you think that a dem prez will put conservatives on the supreme court? Those pics last beyond 4 years.

the primary goal is not allow the dems to get the whitehouse.

Frankly, and perhaps I'm just a dumbass, but I cannot see hillary or o'bama winning over moderates, independents, and conservatives needed to take them over the top.

we'll see in november

Forgive me that I don't share McCain's fervor for rejecting tax cuts or infringing on political speech. Forgive me that I can tell a conservative from a non-conservative.

It's not over. I'm still pulling for Mitt Romney. The man totally kicks McCain's ass on Economy, Immigration, Iraq War...etc etc

Even though I think McCain is light on issues, he's one tough motherfucker. He wont take shit from tyrants. Giuliani is said to be pulling out tomorrow and endorsing him. Giuliani is looking for a VP seat it seems.

I think Romney will be endorsed by Huckabee when he drops out. I THINK..i could be wrong.

I see Romney beating McCain, Obama beating Hillary, Romney names Thompson as his running mate Obama... I can't see a running mate (oh shit imagine Al Gore..) for Obama.

Winner: Romney/Thompson

We got Reagan after Carter; we did not get Reagan after Ford. So go ahead, let the country have its dose of socialism. Hopefully a Reagan, like a phoenix, will again rise from the ashes.

Hillary/McCain, six of one, half a dozen of the other... Only potential diff would be in the vp position. Will McCain pick a conservative running mate? Will it matter when it comes to governing?

There might still be a hail-Mary chance for Romney if Republicans in Super-Tuesday states do a double-take now that a McCain nomination seems all but guaranteed.

Henry,

The Clinton democrats are gonna have a party with McCain. They must be celebrating already.

I don't understand this...

McCain is the ONLY candidate who could take on the democrats in the general election. There is a heavy, overriding distrust in the nation right now regarding the republican party, and the only chance to prevent a democratic coup of the legislative and executive branches (and in turn the judicial branch as three justices are likely to be out soon) was to nominate a candidate who is more moderate than the typical party "base."

Looking at the big picture, this is a no brainer.

McCain is no Reagan, but who is... and what good is he if he can't get elected?

I am a McCain supporter, despite the various issues in which we disagree, mainly because he can be pragmatically constructive in this time of party warring.

Should we abandon support of a candidate who could win because [perhaps] he is not as conservative as the rest of us; or should we support him because, at the very least, the alternative could very well mean unadulterated democratic control of all facets of government - something we can all agree could be una tremenda mierda?

This is what we get when we don't have kick-ass men in the public square who stand up for their convictions.

Too many girly men .... and now a manly girl in pants. Yuck.

I don't believe it's over; but it looks like we have to work harder.

Machete, I can only speak for myself. When a man's belief's and actions depart so much from the ideals of his party and it becomes an exercise in "party discipline" to vote for him simply because he's the guy with the R next to his name then what the hell is that? That's whoring my vote, I'm afraid. You know what, Fuck John McCain and the liberal horse he rode in on. He'll probably have the FEC come after me for violating his stupid ass campaign finance reform law.

Leadership does not consist of bucking your own party to pump up your public image as a maverick. Leadership means convincing people that your party's way of looking at things is the right way. You don't win the battle of ideas by parroting your opponents ideas in the hopes that they'll buy the copy instead of the genuine article.

Henry, I didn't mean it like that, as to vote for the guy with the R. I was just positing the alternative.

But let me ask you - and I sincerely mean this - why such vitriol for McCain?

I understand the beefs with amnesty (to which point many can bring up Reagan) and campaign finance reform (which I disagree with his first-amendment-stepping methods but not the transparent-government ideals behind it), but neither of those evoke such severe emotions as to discredit him. I know he's said he'd keep wet-foot, dry-foot, but so has everyone else. He'd keep the embargo and said he'd keep pressure on the castros. He's pro-life. He's anti-surrender. He's a spending hawk. What am I missing?

I bet this is how Democrats felt when they realized they had another 4 years of Bush.

The vitriol for McCain is that we're in sad state of affairs if HE's THE BEST we have. It's like making it to the NIT basketball tourney instead of the NCAA. Even if you win you're a loser. Maybe it's too much to ask to have a younger, conservative, articulate solid Republican to represent the party but we certainly didn't have to settle for an old, cranky, liberal, shaky one.

I love you Babalu, really I do. I share all of your beliefs on our homeland. I want the tyrant gone...dead if at all possible. But there is only one person who is to blame for the downfall of the Republican party and his name is George W. Bush. The biggest piece of shit excuse for a president the Republican party has ever had. I would rather watch Bill Clinton get head than watch that smug GWB lie his way through a state of the union address. God bless our homeland. God bless our adopted land. But I am beyond glad the GWB regime is coming to an end.

Beware what you wish for...

This discussion sort of reminds me of the issues in Cuba back in the 1950s... Anyone but Batista was the slogan...

We got our wish and look what happened.

We need to pick ourselves up, dust ourselves off and start all over again.

Now that the dust has settled a bit, perhaps we can see what happened last night more clearly. I voted for Romney, therefore I am disappointed in last night's results.

However, I have to side with Cigar Mike and Machete in that McCain is more than likely the ONLY (R) to have a good shot at beating the Clinton machine in November. Of that I have little doubt. McCain may not be the "rock-ribbed bconservative's conservative", but in my most humble opinion we would be very foolish not to support McCain enthusiastically in the fall. I share the same reservations about McCain as many of you, but compared to Hillary? Obama? Please.

firefly,

I agree.

Mario,

Agree to a point.

Robert,

I disagree.

I have to agree with Robert, Cigar Mike and Machete on this one. Yes! We're entitled to be disappointed about not having a "true" conservative as our candidate, but when we look at the big picture, McCain seems to be the one candidate that could win against the Democrats come November.

IMHO, those who feel that they should stay home and not vote in November because the chosen Republican candidate is not the "right" one, may believe that they are not voting, but instead should come to terms with the fact that when they abstain from voting for the Republican candidate, they are indirectly casting a vote for the Democrat candidate! So in my opinion, as I have stated before, "Not voting" is not an alternative. You can justify your vote as a vote against the socialist policies of the Democrats instead of a vote for the Republican candidate!

I wish you well :) Melek

"Voting is one of the few things where boycotting in protest clearly makes the problem worse rather than better." ~ Unknown

I keep hearing that he's "the only one". My question is based on what? Based on the NYT endorsement? Based on the Lieberman endorsement?

The way to win is not to run away from conservatism. If that's what's the rank and file of the GOP think then we've already lost the war. And why would they think that? Because the media finally convinced them that conservatism is not compassionate.

Too bad. The more I hear about McCain's alleged electability the angrier I get because November is going to be a debacle.

"When rape is inevitable..."

-Bobby Knight

You all are a bit out of sync with your compadres.

On the stage with McCain last night were all the CubanAmerican Congress members from Florida.

Romney got killed in Dade County.

Why?

I think it's because Romney is such a bad candidate. He will say anything. In the age of YouTube a fraud like him will never fly.

Sorry Kutas, this is America. We are free to vote for whoever we want to vote. McCain is not the paragon of honesty either. That bullshit he pulled on Romney at the 11th hour about troop withdrawals in Iraq, hell even the MSM that loves McCain had to say it was a lie.

WHAT WE NEED IS "JEB BUSH" TO RUN IN 2012!

Quick question. What is McCain's policy towards Cuba? Is he at least reliably anti-communist? I'm reaching today. Help me.

Yes he is. He received endorsements from all the Cuban-American legislator's in congress.

And Guajiro, no. No more Bushes or Clintons.

Estos son nuestros bueyes
y con ellos
tenemos que arar

Henry,

I understand your concerns, but there are other more important ones:

Jimmy Carter made a hell of a mess of this country in the late 1970s. The fact that today we’re dealing with the treat of a nuclear Iran is prime example of the mess he left us.

Nearly 30 years later after he left office, the mistakes he made are hunting us more than ever, and only God knows the outcome in this arena.

The plain simple fact is that as bad as you feel McCain would be for this country, without a doubt Obama and Hillary would be much worse (and totally disastrous to the cause of a free Cuba to add to it).

I’m not willing to take a change just because I don’t trust McCain’s liberal policies and not try to elect him because the other option would be much worse.

The country cannot afford at this stage in history either Hillary or Obama in the White House just because McCain is not good enough.

This is not the late 1970s and the stakes are way much higher. I’m not willing to take a chance hoping that Hillary or Obama completely mess-up this country and then hope that another Ronald Reagan rises out of somewhere to come and lead the country. In my view this is not an option.

America is paying today for the mistakes of past failed presidencies (and some good ones too) regarding foreign and domestic issues. It is just that simple, the chickens have finally come home to roost, and we have to deal with that fact.

We cannot afford to keep adding to our problems by electing leaders that would definitively make a bad situation even worse. That’s how I feel about both Hillary and Obama.

So if McCain ends up as the Republican nominee I’ll rather vote for him that abstain from voting and then witness (and regret that I could have a made a difference with my vote) the mess that Hillary or Obama will make out of this country while hoping that another Ronald Reagan raises out of somewhere to lead us.

The truth is that leaders like Ronald Reagan appear in the political arena once in a lifetime.

Hillary or Obama will not get my vote, period and, I won’t have any regrets later if either one ends up elected.

FreedomForCuba:

I couldn't have said it better. Amen. I hope our friends understand this. It really scares me that there are people willing to stay home and let Hillary or Obama take the helm.

The country cannot afford at this stage in history either Hillary or Obama in the White House

You have to recognize that regardless of the GOP nominee that that there was a better than 50/50 chance that this was going to happen anyway. My argument is that instead of increasing our odds at that NOT happening, we have decreased them under the guise that it would increase them.

I'm upset because this is a double edge sword. We have the older, crankier establishment candidate that doesn't seem to have a vision or a coherent ideology vs. a younger more dynamic candidate that agrees with our candidate on some of the most critical issues. How can that be good?

My prediction is that in a two candidate election, McCain loses 55%-45%. That's a landslide. New York and California are firmly in the DEM grasp.

I will have no problem supporting Sen. McCain in the General. He's not the ideal candidate but I will never vote for uber leftists like Hillary or Obama. Nothing is worse or scarier than even the thought of either one of them running this country.

I don't like McCain, but since it looks like he's going to be it, I'll have to vote for him to keep a dem out
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What I don't get is how anyone can take a "we'll have to suck it up" attitude and hope that after Hillary destroys our country that Reagan 2 will save us. Why risk 4 years of that? Al qaeda planned 911 on clinton's watch, not GWB, can you imagine the party they will have in Nov. if Hillary get in? It is too big a risk to just not vote. It will come down to the lesser of two evils, so we're going to have to keep the socialist out of the White House and vote, or deal with the next mess. It will be up to the Repubican voters to keep the Clintons from bringing us to our knees (no pun intended) again.

Henry,

Trust me, I understand your prediction and would not surprise me a bit if it becomes reality.

The way I see now regardless of whom the GOP put upthere as a candidate for general elections is going to be an uphill battle to retain the White House in GOP hands in November.

The reason I say this is because every malady this country is suffering now is being blamed on the current resident and the party in charge of the White House and that's a very tough hill to climb.

Plus I also feel that the President and the GOP while they controlled Congress missed some big opportunities in both foreign and domestic policy and now it comes back to haunt them.

We will see what happens in November.

"We have the older, crankier establishment candidate that doesn't seem to have a vision or a coherent ideology vs. a younger more dynamic candidate that agrees with our candidate on some of the most critical issues. How can that be good?"

Bingo, Henry. If it's McCain vs. Obama, moderates won't be able to resist the temptation of voting for JFKennedyesque charisma all while assuaging white guilt by electing the first black president, especially when both candidates share many policies. The shared policies will depress the heck out of the conservative base and cause them to stay home, tilting the election towards Obama.

If it's McCain vs. Hillary, the conservative base will come out and vote against Hillary, and she might turn off enough moderates to give McCain the election.

Any which way, a liberal will be our next president. Doh!

From Drudge Report . . . on Election 2008: McCain vs. Clinton and Obama ... although many things can happen ...

RASMUSSEN:

McCain 48% Clinton 40%
McCain 47% Obama 41%....

http://rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/2008_presidential_election/john_mccain_match_ups/election_2008_mccain_vs_clinton_and_obama

I believe the key determinant will be who will the VPs be in both parties.

I wish you well :) Melek

"Bad officials are elected by good citizens who do not vote." ~ A. Lack

Melek,

I work every day with surveys so I'm not one of these people that immediately discounts survey results but there's a fundamental problem with this particular type of survey and that's time. We have a lot of time between now and November and many people (particularly those finicky ones in the middle that are "moderate" or "independent") aren't thinking seriously about who they'll vote for in 10 months.

Remember a year ago when Rudy was the prohibitive favorite to win the nomination? Remember when Fred Thompson announced his candidacy and was leading in the polls in South Carolina?

Mark my words. McCain will go down by a margin similar to or greater than Bob Dole.

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