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George,

Liberals won’t admit to the truth even in they have right in front of them.

Still there are many of these people and many non-liberal Americans that will never understand that we had to remove Sadam Hussein from power is just that simple.

Had we let Sadam stay in power, in a few years we would be confronted with a scenario of a nuclear-armed Iraq plus the current nuclear situation that we have now with Iran.

And whether the American people like it or not, something must be done to stop Iran from building a nuclear bomb is just that simple. Their nuclear program must be stopped at all costs.

If by the time President Bush is out of office, and nothing have been done about the Iranian nuclear threat, I can guarantee you with certainty that the shit will hit the fan big time in the Middle East in the near future.

Once the Iranians have the nuclear bomb they will have the following scenarios available to them to implement:

1. Attach the nuclear device to a missile and threaten the State of Israel.

2. Find a way to smuggle it inside Israel and detonated it in a city as a terrorist act.

3. Find a way to hold the entire Israeli State hostage (once the nuclear device has been smuggled inside Israel) and force it to make dangerous concessions to Iran and the rest of the terrorist groups in the Arab world.

Remember these terrorist groups still have ways of infiltrating the State of Israel (even with all the security Israel has); as we have witnessed in the past how terrorist attacks have taken place inside Israel by terrorists that infiltrated from either the Palestinian territories, Lebanon or Syria.

To be honest to you, what scares me the most is that many Americans don’t understand this threat at all.

Not that it will make a whole lot of diff to you, George, but that was legally stored regulated reactor grade uranium and not the bomb grade secret reserves of the stuff that Saddam didn't have.

Further in the article that you link to there's this:

Israeli warplanes bombed a reactor project at the site in 1981. Later, U.N. inspectors documented and safeguarded the yellowcake, which had been stored in aging drums and containers since before the 1991 Gulf War. There was no evidence of any yellowcake dating from after 1991, the official said. [Emphasis mine]

The reason why this story is being "barely reported" is because it's not news or at least the news that folks like yourself prefer to attach such significance to.

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Thanks for your spirited defense of Saddam.

Yes, much better that we spread falsehoods that make us feel better about the mistakes we've made in the past.

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Right, Rick. Serve yourself another cup of Bushitler Halliburton Kool-Aid.

if anyone doubts Freedom's view of the world, he MUST objectively support tyrants like Saddam or Fidel; so, naturally, if you doubt what he posts you hate freedom. You can almost see him wipe the spittle from his jaw.

Mahmoud Ahmadinejad has made and continues making plenty of statements in no uncertain terms that the state of Israel will soon will be wiped out while he continues pushing ahead with Iran’s nuclear program which points more and more to be one of a military nature towards the development of an atomic bomb.

It does not take a nuclear scientist to figure out what are Iran’s intentions towards the State of Israel. Plus given Iran’s record as nearly been on the top list of states sponsoring terrorism, their intentions become quite obvious.

Thin is just hoping against hope that the world really wants to sing kumbaya while wearing birkenstocks and holding hands. There were many like him in the 1930s who poo-pooed the idea that Hitler was a threat; their view was the popular view, until it was too late too stop the whirlwind. This time around, there are folks like me and Freedom and many, many others, who will not shut up. We will yell the truth, from the mountaintops if we have to, about the threats the world faces from Islamists. When the inevitable happens where will they be?

Apparently Rick had more trust in Saddam Hussein to use Uranium for peaceful purposes than President Bush did. That's why Bush is the president and Rick is a botellero living off of our tax dollars.

Classic!

Like the famous proverb says,

Those who cannot learn from history are doomed to repeat it.

Ditto on George and Henry with these comments,

“Thin is just hoping against hope that the world really wants to sing kumbaya while wearing birkenstocks and holding hands.”

“Apparently Rick had more trust in Saddam Hussein to use Uranium for peaceful purposes than President Bush did. That's why Bush is the president and Rick is a botellero living off of our tax dollars.”

I’m laughing my ass-off with your comments. You both hit the nail right on the head with them.

Scoooooooore! I always know when I've gotten to the boyz when they whip out the Occupation Card.

I guess we'll all just continue to wait around for the White House to announce the news that the WMD's that they've been looking for over 5 years have been found, like Drudge and George are reporting.

Keep up the fine work, fellas.

On a related note, Bertha is now a hurricane. Where's the update, George?

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Rick,

Still having trouble with reading comprehension? What part of this sentence did you not understand, Ill even hilight it for you:

Yellowcake also can be enriched for use in reactors and, at higher levels, nuclear weapons using sophisticated equipment.

So, let me get this straight. 9/11 never happened. Terrorist incidents never happened all over the world. Terrorist incidents have not stopped on all U.S. property for the last several years. Israel is not being bombarded on all sides from Syrian and Iranian backed creeps. Iraq did not try to bomb Israel in the last war. Iraq did not poison its own citizens or kill or rape or harbor terrorists.
The only bad country is the U.S. and the only bad operators are Bush and company.
This is getting so tiresome.
Honey

This discussion and this post is about whether or not this yellowcake was the WMD that we went to war for. Quite simply, it isn't. It's why it isn't big news and it's why the White House isn't holding new conferences.

For George to imply in his post otherwise is just plain disingenuous.

That's all. Nothing more. Nothing less.

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Rick, EVERY intelligence agency in the world, Bill Clinton, John Kerry, Algore, scads of Democrats (and Republicans), were making it a point to say that Saddam's WMDs were a danger to the world. So, here comes Bush, taking all of it very seriously, and what does he find? A WMD program far smaller than anticipated -- or so it seems, because there's a lot of scuttlebutt about the Syrians and the Russians spiriting a lot of material out of Iraq prior to the start of the war.

The problem you folks on the left have is your ingrained intellectual dishonesty. Your irrational -- bordering on psychotic -- hatred of Bush prevents you from hearing what your own people said about the very same subject! Bush Lied, People Died? Add Hillary, Bill, Al, Carl Levin, and the rest of you (D) hypocrites to that bumper-sticker. I guess talking about it is okay; when action is taken, all bets are off.

I agree, George. And Ill add to that the fact that saddam had what, four unmonitored years to basically either bury, sell, trade or give away God know how many different WMD agents and components? But folks like Rick, etal.., whose unbridled hatred for anything Republican coupled with their BDS, cant allow themselves to think logically, plus conveniently forget that almost everyone one of their elected Democrats truly elieved Hussein had and was producing WMDs prior to the war. Fucking pathetic.

Even the Evil Soviet Empire during the Cold War years knew very well the consequences of a nuclear war between East and West as they understood very well Ronald Reagan quote that “a nuclear war cannot be won and never be fought”.

Unfortunately Mahmoud Ahmadinejad and the Mullahs are so fanatic in their religions/terrorist beliefs that Allah chose them to destroy the State of Israel and spread Islam around the planet that they don’t see the consequences of their actions and that why they continue with their nuclear program.

When you look at it, the only terrorist that made the smart and wise choice turned out to be Libya’s lunatic Muammar al-Gaddafi who got rid of his nuclear program as he probably suspected that he would have ended up hanging from a rope very much the same way Sadam did.

I guess that bomb dropped from an F-111 during the US raid against Libya in 1986 that landed close to his tent and killed one of his children (and almost got him killed too); taught him a painful lesson on how not to fuck with the United States of America.

George, Henry and Val,

I suggest that you get Rick and Thinwhiteduke some of those children colored books and some crayons so they can finally go and connect the dots of the dangers of nuclear proliferation among terrorist’s states like Sadam’s Iraq and Iran; otherwise they won’t be able to understand the big picture here.

Guys,

Again...

The post and the discussion here is not about whether Saddam had WMD or whether he was a threat to the U.S...that's a whole other topic for debate.

The point that no one addresses in these comments is whether the yellowcake that was moved and is the subject of this article is the WMD that we have been looking for and went to war for as George implies. Maybe there's some other evidence out there that it is, but this article does not do it. For me, at least. Again, not going into the whole "should we have invaded Iraq" debate.

Heck, maybe I'm reading the post wrong. George, are you saying that this yellowcake is the WMD we have been looking for for the past 5 years in Iraq?

Simple question. Right?

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I guess that bomb dropped from an F-111 during the US raid against Libya in 1986 that landed close to his tent and killed one of his children (and almost got him killed too); taught him a painful lesson on how not to fuck with the United States of America.

I guessed you missed the memo: any evidence connecting Qaddafi to the bombing of the West German discotheque was specious at best, as even Reagan's Congressional supporters acknowledged after it was revealed in September 1986 that the White House had for months been disseminating anti-Libyan propaganda for the purposes of turning public opinion against the dictator. But, hey, I understand how schoolboy visions of history exert their charm. It's a complicated world, and when governments routinely lie to their citizens, it's easiest to accept macho bluster.

It must anger you, Freedom, that after 50 or so posts on this blog (which often posts really interesting stuff; if I don't comment it's cuz I like it) you can't pin me down as a liberal or conservative. But that's the price an informed citizen pays, one who won't get suckered by the shibboleths of the left and right.

Rick, this yellowcake, among many other finds, constitutes a portion of what Saddam had. There have been plenty of instances where we have found tantalizing hints of what was, after the first Gulf war, an extensive WMD program. The existence of this yellowcake is just one item in the long list. And, again, reliable intelligence from Israel has a lot of material moved from Iraq to Syria. There is plenty of research out there to read. You can find it if you want to. Your failure to be informed doesn't make me a wacko.

Thinwhiteduke,

Now way man, I’m not angered towards you in any way shape or form.

The only thing is that when you make statements like the one below, you make me wonder about your mental sanity:
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I guessed you missed the memo: any evidence connecting Qaddafi to the bombing of the West German discotheque was specious at best, as even Reagan's Congressional supporters acknowledged after it was revealed in September 1986 that the White House had for months been disseminating anti-Libyan propaganda for the purposes of turning public opinion against the dictator. But, hey, I understand how schoolboy visions of history exert their charm. It's a complicated world, and when governments routinely lie to their citizens, it's easiest to accept macho bluster. ________________________________________________

First and foremost, I have not seem that memo that you claim exists but, actually I remember in those days that even the liberal MSM reports did not challenge Muammar al-Gaddafi involvement in these bombings.

But you seem to be using this supposedly existing memo to downplay Muammar al-Gaddafi responsibility for terrorist attacks around the world.

You probably have forgotten about Pam Am Flight 103 downing over Lockerbie, Scotland in 1988 too. Or let me guess, that one was another of the White House staged terrorist attacks conspiracies.

I also bet that you probably are one of those Rosie O’Donnell characters who believe that 911 were staged by the Bush administration and that the twin towers were imploded from within to give the White House an excuse to attack the Muslim world.

Well, I guess you think that most of these terrorist attacks that have taken place over the last 30 years or more were staged by conspiracies directed from the Oval Office’s administrations; in order to enable the government of the United States of America to attack it’s enemies, since you claim that the US government routinely lies to their citizens.

There is no way shape or form that I feel anger towards you. I only feel lots of pity for your sheer stupidity.

You know, if I was you I stay away from that Bushitler Halliburton Kool-Aid that you seem to have been drinking lately by the gallons, because is working wonders on your intelligence.

Keep drinking that shit and soon you’ll have no brains cells left to enable you to make an intelligent point of view or a rational assessment of the situation at hand.

You're flailing. Doubting Qaddafi's complicity in the disco bombing is not the same as assuming he wasn't involved in the planning and operations in the Pan Am flight (a court of law proved it so), or, for god's sake, that Al Qaeda wasn't responsible for the attacks on 9-11. All you had to ask me directly like a man instead of making assumptions.

Thinwhitedulke,

I don’t have to ask you anything, your statements and quotes on your posts speak for themselves.

Boo. We were having so much fun too.

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